formulation and said that michael cohen made the payments in coordination with and at the direction of the president. that was filed on the same day -- if i remember correctly. i think i was here with you on the show. the same day as the special counsel filed the document with respect to the lie that michael cohen told to congress. in that document, although they made clear that he lied, it did not say it was done at the direction of the president, nor did michael cohen say in his guilty plea in the other case that he did it at the direction of the president. that doesn't mean that's not true. but it's interesting that you have a difference where in one case he said it was at the direction of the president. in the other case he doesn't say that. bus fe >> that's a very important point. big picture. if it were proven true, what