and i want is now just become a personality tit for tat. and you're right. that's donald trump's comfort zone. the problem is nancy pelosi has generally had the upper hand because the president does personally like her, and he has been sort of confounded on how to deal with her. and i think when you get into the just throwing mud portion of our program, he's generally going to win that. so i just -- i'm not sure where we go from here. >> there is also 800,000 people -- >> that's what i mean. we've gotten away from the high ground about what is actually the impact of this shutdown and now it just looks like a tit for tat. >> admiral kirby, even if there was a way for senator pelosi to get on a flight to afghanistan, i guess for a security point the president has blown her cover. she is second in line to the presidency. she would have to have protective detail to say the least in afghanistan, a very large one, nothing to say of the military presence. >> so look, there is two things. yes, she could get to kabul, but you're not going get off the airport grounds without military