gettingo getting us to doubt our sanity at times and meanwhile all this other stuff goes unexamined. >> i don't doubt my sanity because of rudy giuliani -- >> there's other reasons for that, right? >> exactly. there's no doubt about that. but ultimately i think what's happening here are the contents of mueller's findings are becoming clearer and, you know, now it's becoming more and more difficult to deny that there was, in fact, collusion between elements of the campaign and the russians. and now, you know, like rudy's hit the escape hatch and he and the president are parachuting out and leaving the others to fend for themselves. because ultimately his job is to protect the president from the political process of impeachment, and his audience is the president's base of supporters. >> you're the smartest man on this panel. >> he's not practicing law here.