campaign manager is slipping polling information to the russians? how could the president not know when his own son orchestrated a meeting in the trump tower with russian representatives to get dirt on hillary clinton? it all looks like the president knew a lot. but the defense here is he didn't know. we'll have to see what mueller has. i'm assuming there may be other things because the mueller investigation has been thorough and detailed in every case when an indictment is filed. i think eventually we'll see more of the connection. >> thank you for your expertise this morning. let's dive deeper. spectrum news political anchor errol lewis and sun ming kim. errol, giuliani makes statements intentionally. he didn't back away afterwards. he insisted to chris that he never said it which wasn't true.