mueller were good friends. he was interested in that and wanted to know what i thought about mueller's integrity and so forth. i said bob is a straight shooter and should be dealt with as such. he said something to the effect of are you envisioning some role here? i said right now i couldn't do it. i said my personal and my professional obligations are such that i'm unable to do it. he asked me for my phone number. i gave it to him and i never heard from him again until -- >> i tried that. >> i didn't hear from him until later about something different which was the attorney general position. >> thank you. good to see you again. as you mentioned, we were here