example so far of someone trying to subvert trump. when it came to tariffs, never said not to do it. let's wait until after tax reform. you sort of delay trump. what happened inside the meeting last week, trump said we'll lift the shutdown if, nancy, will you give us money for the wall after that? what did trump do? bye-bye. >> this is a president who hasn't been told no by congress and that's the real sea change here. he's staring down a congress with a leader in the house like nancy pelosi who sees no incentive to compromise with him. she feels like she has political momentum on her side given the results of the midterm elections. and so how the president tries to operate in this new di tammic will determine whether he can be successful over the next two years. he hasn't figured it out in termes of the shutdown. >> even if the national emergency is declared. something he said he'd do if no deal comes about, it's still not