uncertainty about their future. along with a whole host of other issues, related to immigration. i think that that conversation needs to happen. what does it mean to secure our border? we see members of congress who are representing districts along the border, democrats and republicans who are saying, a wall makes sense, maybe in some areas, but in other areas, we have better technology that will accomplish the objective of securing our border. and this is the problem with so many issues in politics today and in washington, is you have leaders who get stuck in these partisan arguments, without actually recognizing what is the objective. >> yeah. >> this is something i learned in the military. >> what -- you know from day one, unless you know what your objective is, you will never have a strategy or a path to accomplish that objective. and that's the problem here. >> i think trump just makes it hard for people's brains to function. just kind of drives people nuts. you've actually been able to find some places where you actually agree with trump. you met with him early.