generals, but he doesn't know more or nobody knows more than these unnamed border patrol officers who work very hard who we're talking about? >> right. they're not a name, first of all. brandon judd has been all over television telling us. >> a union official. >> what i'm saying -- right. and his membership, by the way. but what i'm saying is this. customs and border protection, which is the most hispanic agency in the federal government, which has been unfairly demonized constantly by the left, that group has told us this is the resource we need to secure the border. on top of that, it just makes common sense, i think, for anybody who looks -- >> i don't think they said this is the resource. in fact, they're understaffed right now. and so, i'm sure there are plenty of border officers -- >> of course. >> it's not the resource. david gergen, we haven't heard from you. if the president does declare a national emergency and order a border wall built, which is where this seems to be headed, to get the government reopened, is that the best option at this point? because then it ends up in the