know how many people believe this is a good idea other than me. if you can get a bunch of us saying it, then i think he would change his mind. >> doesn't that exchange one problem with the sort of hard right on immigration for another? i already heard ted cruz say that would be amnesty. >> we won't get everybody, we won't get everybody democrat or republican, but i do believe there's a critical mass for the idea that the daca population, a renewable work permit is a pretty good solution for their situation right now, the tps population is going to lose their legal status and a lot of these people have been here for 20 or 30 years, you combine that with border security. i think you can get a lot of votes but not all the votes. >> did he indicate at all when he would use a national emergency -- >> no. >> can i ask you a different question? >> all right. jackie, let me use that reporter's question on national