politicians. but what we're looking at right now is the 19th day of a government shutdown over the border wall and funding for it. there are federal workers who are off the job or working unpaid because of it. the president says this is all worth it in order for him to get more money for the border wall. do you see it that way? >> as the shutdown is worth it? no. i think the president's negotiation style, if you read his book too, is to force the issue and to force in this case the democrats to sit down and negotiate. i think compromise is important. i think there's fault on both sides. i think the republicans and democrats, they've been dealing with this problem for five years. if it's as monumental as they claim politically, then they should solve it. that's involving compromise and i don't see compromise from either side. i would hope washington gets it together. if local government couldn't solve a problem of that magnitude in five years, you'd