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refusal to give the necessary money for border security that's the cause of the shutdown. we get all of that. we're not interested in laying any blame. the president really does believe that you can solve this in ten minutes. we're asking for $5.6 billion. they're offering us zero. sounds like we're arguing about one variable which is how much are we going to spend on that barrier on the southern border, on the wall, on the steel slat fence, whatever you want to call it. this should be relatively simple. i'm forced back to the conclusion that the democrats, for better or worse, think they are winning this battle politically and they're really not interested in opening the government because they think the president is paying a price politically. that's unfortunate. >> the reason i described it the way i did is because the senate, which is republican controlled, passed a clean government spending bill which included no wall money because they were under the impression that was going to be good enough to get the white house signature. and then president trump said no and then he said he'd gladly own the shutdown. as recently as friday, i

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