>> ellen even called the academy on his behalf. this all prompted more outrage, naturally. for some, particularly those in the black lgbt community, ellen's was presumptuous. for others, hart didn't seem authentically apologetic and looked too darn staged. it's unclear what it accomplished for kevin hart's oscar hosting chances but did accomplish one thing. sparked a national debate. joining me to discuss this thorny issue, my friend and comedian judy gold. what did you make of the ellen/kevin four year show? >> i don't think it was supposed to be him for the entire hour. >> really? >> i don't know. i think -- >> ahead the call mid way through? >> don't quote me but i think it was really interesting because, you know, i can see it from two perspectives. i see it from a comedian's perspective and i see it from a member of the lgbt community.