pay. you are a federal contractcontr you don't work, you don't eat. they will never recover. you have private companies that contract with the government. they may have to lay off people. the cascade affect on ordinary people on this is extraordinary. i want to say this. we call it the government. the government. this is america's government. we are not talking about the government on the moon or some other country. he won't keep america's government functioning. i don't know how you say you make america great again and you won't keep america's government open for business. >> ken, you hear according to "the wall street journal" the president doesn't like the use the word shutdown. likes to use the word strike. does that make sense to you? >> well, it's a private sector version of this. this is an impasse. i think that -- i appreciate van's perspective. the president is the only one in this negotiation who signalled a