before she was speaker -- became speaker yesterday. i think the other interesting thing to me is we're talking about nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer. there's another person involved. that would be mitch mcconnell, who also has just as much responsibility as the majority leader of the senate. >> now, what mitch mcconnell has said is that this is really a negotiation between the democratic leaders, because it needs to pass the house, and obviously they need ten democrats or whatever it is. now it's actually more than ten democrats. >> don't make me laugh. >> in order to get through the senate. not that he is sidelined, but that the negotiation needs to go to those people. what's the way out of it? you suggested a way, but not in terms of the specifics of the bill. what do you think should be in the bill that both sides can claim victory? >> money for border security. that president trump can spend on surveillance, on a fence, which maybe you could define as a steel see-through wall. i mean, i think that's the way this ends. is with the democrats giving some kind of money for border security. because while the wall is unpopular, border security is