session tried to hold up all of the judicial appointments absent a bill to protect mule earn mitch mcconnell wouldn't budge on it. i think we're really in a situation where until we see the president or the acting attorney general who may or may not be in his position legally, matt whitaker, make a move on mueller, republicans are going to try to continue to sit on the sidelines about whether to protect him. >> uh-huh. jack, democrats will take over the house just hours from now giving them power to launch all sorts of investigations into this president. how do you think democrats should handle this new power? >> of carefully. with enormous discipline. look, i lived through the clinton investigations. i was white house counsel during that time. the republicans vastly overplayed their hand. they will looked like they were -- they looked petty, like there were out to get him.