new wave. >> we hear a lot about punk rock these days. can we have your thoughts on that? >> i think it's better to just call it a new wave, really. i think by defining it as punk you're automatically putting a boundary around what is possible. bands like talking heads is excellent. >> talking heads was the ultimate. they did spiky music that reflected who they were and reflected the fascinating individual that david byrne would emerge to become. >> i wrote a song about urban guerrillas from the point of view of their daily lives instead of the point of view of their politics. ♪ heard of a van that is loaded with weapons ♪ ♪ packed up and ready to go >> this area of new wave music is where stars of the 1980s are going to come from. ♪ >> what makes the '70s so special is that there's still a sense of naivety, the thought that music could really make a