>> sarah westwood live from the white house. thank you, sarah. let's talk about this now. we have a great panel to discuss this. washington bureau chief for the associated press, julia pace, and olivia newsy. let's start with you. is it the wall, border security? seems like every time we hear from a different person from the white house we get a different interpretation of exactly what they're looking for here. how on earth can they hatch a deal when we don't know what they want? >> what they're trying to do is find a way out to get a deal. if the president is going to hold a hard line and say that has to be a physical barrier, then it's almost impossible to see how we get out of this. if he does try to change his position here, change what the money is allocated for, say that it's for a broader border security program, that's where you can start to see more democrats that he would need lining up behind some kind of package that would get us out of this mess.