allowed to operate by a separate rule and the argument that donald trump somehow should escape justice. that just doesn't square. >> there is -- you know this. for people at home there's an office of legal counsel memo in the department of justice. i think it dates back to the nixon years. it states a sitting president should not be indicted. it's not a rule or a law but it's a suggestion from the justice department. >> two things. first of all, i was discussing what might happen when he leaves zblofs okay. >> but actually when you look at the opinions, there is a very powerful case to be made that you can indict a sitting president. there's a more difficult case of whether they should be tried while in office because that would disrupt his activities. but in those olc opinions the only argument that was made was that it would stigmatize the president. they also discussed that rubicon