he did that speech to the nation. he made the case. he had a team prepared to argue why this made sense as a drawback. he did all the things one expects a president to do. obviously there are certainly foreign policy ramifications, but it also another reinforcement of how different this white house operates with the american people. just a complete disregard for trying to explain why this is a rational policy beyond this ostensible defeat of isis, which anyone you speak with will say isn't the case. >> catherine, you have said a number of times on this program and other programs, the stock market is not the barometer of the economy, right, because not everybody has stocks. >> among other reasons, yeah. >> among other reasons. you warned you live by the sword, you die by the sword. then today the stock market, bad news for this president? >> oh, absolutely. look, it was always an idiotic idea for trump to hold up the stock market as the proper metric of success of his administration, not only because presidents don't actually control stock markets but also because even if they did, his