california with 70 million people has two senators as well. we have a kind of structural problem here where the land is being overrepresented. the people are being underrepresented. so both sides feel deeply wronged. >> so then how do you bridge that gap, so to speak? because you're going to have a rural minority overlooking an urban majority and our lives don't really mirror each other at all. >> and they're going further away. look, this is one of those things where everybody wants to be an optimist, everybody wants to have a solution. look at what's going on in france. it's the same people protesting. look at who voted for brexit. it's the same people. more rural, less educated, older. and nobody has an answer -- >> let's be honest -- >> the next wave, don-s going to be automation and artificial intelligence. you have 3 million truck drivers in america. what's going to happen to them? >> but that's the point. and listen, i don't mean any -- i don't mean to disparage older