mom. ♪ plenty to debate. let's bring in van jones and amy cremor. thank you for your patients both of you. >> thank you. >> amy, let me ask you something. maybe i'm not making this clear. i'm not making a case against the president of the united states. robert ray, neal katyal, they're so much smarter than i'll ever be. for me it's not about the criminality. it's about telling the truth to the american people. maybe it's not a crime paying money to these women. why did he lie in >> how do you know that he's