us in april. i have no idea why we should bring him now. the criminal process will unfold. i think the impeachment process will unfold. time will tell what happened. if i were a lawyer -- >> what they can corroborate. by saying, well, you know, he's lied before. all right. fair enough. but he had his statements in this regard corroborated by the prosecutors as with the mueller probe and what he told them about russia. they said, with respect to this, from the second meeting on, he's told the truth. and the president needs to show the same kind of corroboration to be believed. he can't be just believed as a oneoff. he lies too much. unfortunately that's a reality. >> whoa, whoa. >> go ahead. >> what happened to the presumption of innocence? >> i'm not saying he's guilty of something. i'm saying he's lying. >> didn't he -- okay. that's fine. that's nice that you say and god knows that -- >> it's not a god knows thing. >> that doesn't -- >> i have a tape with his voice on it going through the transaction. >> no, no, no. >> david pecker says he was at