associates of the then candidate? >> not one iota. it doesn't matter at all, and i think to raise that is really a distraction. it's probably a useful political point to try to deflect from the reality of the situation. his former lawyer and now ami have both admitted to a federal court that the purpose of this whole deal, the purpose of the payments, the purpose of the structure was to keep embarrassing stories from coming out and affecting the election. if that's the primary purpose of the payment, that's the core of the violation of federal law and that's all that matters. >> michael cohen and david pecker, ha mi, they both say they knew at the time they were arranging these payments to the women, they knew it was illegal. >> right. let's take a step back of what we know, according to federal prosecutors. we now know that american media, "national enquirer," made this payment for the express purpose and in coordination with the frump campaign, right, which we believe is michael cohen at least. >> and the president. >> and -- and -- and did so, to