prosecuted anybody for such a payment. you look at all the payments made to members of congress -- >> they prosecuted edwards for something similar. >> but -- please. john, hold on, let me finish. john, john, hold on. give me a chance to talk here. >> okay. >> when a prosecutor looks at a charge of a campaign violation, what they could do is see if the fec prosecuted it, and the fec said in the edwards case, we don't see a violation here. the other thing is somebody that does this type of violation has to do it knowing they are violating the law. i don't know how trump can know he's violating the law when the fec has never prosecuted a case like this and doesn't believe it's a violation of law. you can't have intent if the fec says it's not a violation.