personal attorney, michael cohen -- >> correct. >> was speaking to keith anderson, your attorney. >> without me even know, without my knowledge. i would assume that maybe he knew. i know his attorney did. i can't say that he knew, but his attorney -- >> how do you know that michael cohen and your attorney, keith davidson, were in communication? >> i didn't know. i'm just learning this as you're learning this. it's been reported, and my attorneys, they know. >> and to you, the idea that michael cohen would be in communication with your attorney at the time, theoretically, there would be no reason for mike b michael cohen to be having communication with your attorney but this was a deal between keith davidson, you, and ami. >> ami. right. so why was he involved in my deal? and why wasn't i told that he was involved in my deal? that's not fair. and it's, quite frankly, illegal. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami? knowing what you know now. >> probably not. no. probably not. >> you're pretty -- you're