and his worry about impeachment. that person has to be really skilled, whoever takes over. >> i mean, look, it's a very difficult job, white house chief of staff, under the best of circumstances, with a pretty -- what we would say normal -- a president who adheres to accepted norms. okay? whether it's in dealing with staff, dealing with the media, dealing with policy, et cetera. this is not that president who adheres to established norms. he is someone -- i mean, to kirsten's point they always say like a baseball manager, your best day is the first day you get announced as a manager because basically from then on you're just waiting to be fired. it kind of feels like that. i still remember, i think i was in l.a., doing a thing for cnn, when reince priebus got fired on the tarmac via tweet and john kelly was brought in. and i just remember trump tweeting and talking about john kelly in these reverential tones, going to bring order and look at his career, a military man, and he's the guy we need. i know his time in that job is