an important point. we don't know why paul manafort's lawyers say he's not lying. sometimes that argument is made because the lawyers believe that it was just an honest lapse of recollection, a memory issue. sometimes they believe it's some other witness that is lying and the prosecutors will believe them instead. there could be a whole range of things. >> we don't often have an impeachment lawyer on the set with us. on the paul manafort issue, people noted how unusual it was for someone who had already pleaded guilty to be sharing information with someone else's team who may be a subject in this investigation. how unusual is that? did that set off alarm bells for you? >> to be clear, i have handled a lot of impeachments. but day-to-day, i represent public officials and government officials and campaigns and lots of things. >> we're not calling you the grim reaper or anything. >> so the answer is it is relatively unusual, but it is