family members once they depart from that motorcade. we expect when they do arrive here, jake, that process will take about 15 minutes until the casket actually leaves from the motorcade up the steps of the capitol and into the rotunda. but right now a very solemn moment here as a lot of former bush officials, current senators and high-level dignitaries await these services that are set to take place in just a matter of minutes here. >> all right. manu raju on capitol hill, thanks so much. kate anderson brouwer, we were talking about not just the reputation for modesty, but the facts on the ground. president h.w. bush was a man of modesty. he was edged to go to the berlin wall and take a victory lap. and he said, no, this is a german moment, let the germans have it. and he wouldn't go on the ticker