and i are going to reserve that final judgment until we get all our facts. we still need to see people like michael cohen back before our committee. but we do know this. pretty clear. that the russians, not only did they hack into the e-mails, not only had their stolen other information, but they were very forward leaning in terms of offering this information to the trump campaign. and it appears that a number of the senior trump officials or trump campaign officials continued to lie about those kind of contacts. >> i wonder, though, if there is a narrative here that is different from the one that a lot of americans were thinking it was, which is, for instance, in march 2016, president trump suggested or then-candidate trump suggested easing sanctions against russia for the invasion of crimea. he was in the middle of also trying to curry favor with putin to have this very lucrative deal. trump tower in moscow. >> a trump tower deal that supposedly they were going to offer putin a $50 million