hurt him politically. why would he lie? >> well, i think it's obvious why he would, but it's more than that if you read the plea deal. michael cohen says he briefed trump on this multiple times. you know, more than three times. and members of the trump family, and we have reporting from my colleague tonight, hunter walker, about how ivanka and donald trump jr. were very much involved in the plans for this project. but the really stunning thing is that, you know, all of this was known to the trump organization. >> mmm-hmm. >> the whole time the russia story was blowing up, and, you know, the e-mails, the texts, they all had access to it and they never said a word while michael cohen went to the senate and brazenly lied about it and, you know, which he has now pled guilty to. and so, you know, just from a pure political damage control 101, the idea that you knew that all this damaging information