but it wasn't my job to agree with everything the obama administration did. now this administration -- and i've been here since the bush administration by the way. same thing happened under bush. but my role is much bigger now, much more -- i have a bigger platform. >> don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. >> no, but seriously, now that you -- now that the trumps are in power, the trump administration, you challenge them, and this is the first time that anyone has ever called me some bleeding heart liberal. i don't -- and it has nothing to do with it. i am anti-lies. i am anti-falsity. i am anti-alternative facts. and i think what people don't get in this administration, the supporters of this president don't understand is that when you tell a journalist that facts don't matter, that reality doesn't matter, it's the same thing as telling a christian the bible doesn't matter because that is where we live. we bring people the facts and the truth. otherwise, why the hell are we here? >> well, we're here to do the job. i'm not bothered by the idea of, oh, can't -- does the truth matter anymore? of course it does. the testing of the president is a reflection that the truth