>> all right. two manafort questions. the first one, the suggestion of a joint defense agreement between manafort and the president, rudy giuliani all but said that's what it is. >> right. >> manafort's lawyer said, not really, we just have a fair exchange. is that okay? >> yeah, it's okay, and it's not -- would i do it in this situation? probably not. if i were manafort's lawyer. but it's not as unusual as some people on your air have suggested. i have known lawyers who have representing -- representing, subject of investigations, go to the lawyer who is representing the cooperator and ask him, what are they asking your guy, what's your guy saying? and sometimes you get a blank wall. sorry, i can't talk to you. we have a cooperation agreement. sometimes you have a lawyer say, look, i can't really tell you in detail, but if i were you, i'd prepare on this subject and this subject and this subject. that happens. >> sure. it happens a lot am min mob cas by the way.