saudis? i mean there are people who have speculated the gulf arabs provide an enormous amount of the investment capital for result. who the hell knows whether that's -- but, again, as with russia, there is a puzzling pattern where you say, why do this? this is not in america's interest. why are we getting ourselves implicated in the middle of a very complex middle east situation? consistently on the side of a very dangerous saudi foreign policy that has not succeeded anywhere. >> but the very weak response -- my grandmother had this saying, maybe this, maybe that. it seems like a u.s. president should be more definitive. so obviously he's like, i really don't -- basically what he's saying is i really don't give a crap. >> there's also a level frankly of a lack of seriousness to the foreign policy. if you look at george bush senior, he was president during