and that attitude pushes people here to think of themselves in many ways as existentially in opposition to their bigger, louder neighbor. >> anthony: where were you born? are you from montevideo? >> lucia: no, no, i'm from argentina. >> anthony: is it a big difference culturally -- argentina and uruguay? >> lucia: here, if you're a little bit courageous, then you made it. you know? >> nacho: it's a sin here. like to be flashy, it's a sin. >> lucia: to be successful, it's not something that -- >> anthony: you gotta do it quietly. >> lucia: there is a saying, "quedate en la chiquita." it means stay in the small things, you know? quedate en la chiquita. it's something that defines uruguay in a way. >> anthony: lucia soria is the chef and owner of jacinto in montevideo's old city. she worked with nacho back in the mallmann years. >> anthony: what was it like for a woman working in the restaurant industry in the early 2000's? >> lucia: i was very lucky because francis, he had this like army of women, no?