so i hate to say it, but it probably takes a little longer. >> i'm going to write the phrase down, the president can depart from the truth sometimes. >> i said that more than once. >> if i can be a little more blunt, i think the president has lied. and is a loan liar and lies about small things, things that folks don't even know why he chooses to lie about them, and that is in fact why his lawyers are very concerned about him answering questions in person and on paper from the special counsel. >> let me also get you on this, because when you talk about the importance of press freedom and real news, we're about to get the ruling from the judge in the cnn case against the white house in terms of press access. we have also learned overnight that the president's top pick right now, the person our reporting has him leaning to to potentially pick to be the u.n. ambassador for the u.s., heather nauert, was asked about how dictators around the world have used this fake news rallying cry, sort of echoing president