we've already seen that racial bias from public statements -- >> got it. you said bolster the claim because that was my question. there's ample evidence of the president saying racially charged and insensitive things so i'm just wondering why you need the tapes. you want to bolster your argument. >> exactly. it's our job to represent our clients to the best of our ability. if these tapes exist, you know, we need to bolster that evidence as much as he can. >> okay. so mgm and "apprentice" producer mark burnett have been fighting efforts to release outtakes of these shows for years. even releasing a joint statement, this was back in 2016, saying they don't have the right to release the footage. and there's the statement there up on the screen. it seems likely they're going to fight this. can they be compelled to do it? >> the tapes are relevant to our case. mgm and trump productions will likely oppose the production of those tapes. but we think we have a good case that those tapes should be produced.