matter. >> i think the reality is in this case, i think what the more appropriate action is for the national security adviser, if he's been directed to remove her, that it's his decision. i think unfortunately what makes this more complicated is the national security adviser actually oversees travel with the vice president so ideally, this is something that would have happened when john bolton was here and it would have been his to make that decision and take care of that action more so than the president. >> kate? >> i will say the first lady has become more and more vocal about her influence on the president. she did say in an abc news interview in africa that she does tell the president when she doesn't trust people on his staff and she said -- she was asked, well, what happens, and she said, some of those people don't work here anymore. and you know, i think for sure, if she felt strongly -- i don't necessarily find it's a rift between the president and the first lady. i think this is certainly the first lady really making her case that she's very, very unhappy and i think it really points to that delineation between the east wing and the west wing. this east wing operates on its