requires is totally different than saying that there's corruption, that votes are being stolen, that there is fraud. that, to me, is beyond the pale. this president is cutting the legs out from under our election system overall by casting doubt on this, and, hey, isn't that why we're doing a recount to begin with? the recount has a republican and a democrat looking at every vote. you got to take anything to a judge. it is all transparent. it's being watched. that's why we should let every vote be counted and then accept the results. >> like the judge said today, relax, ken. you guys, enough with the fraud talk. tone it down. let's see what happens. >> yeah, look, let's talk about this in terms of justice. as we do the court system. there are two elements to it. there's being right and the -- and everyone else on the outside having confidence that the conclusion is right. of course, we want the right