whether the president is implicated in a crime. that rests on the question of does -- were the payments to the women campaign contributions? which of course were not reported and not handled in the appropriate way. he could be accused of campaign finance violation. if he used these payments coordinated with conspires with the american media. ami. in violation of the campaign finance laws. thatst harder legal question. i don't know the answer to that. the lying is quite clear. >> is that the significance? campaign finance violation traditionally monetary fine. correct? is that a big deal. >> it can be. and a criminal violation. and with the respect to the reason why the lies are important they go to what the president was. if he notified of the things, and as the reporting that is thorough suggests, that he was in on it.