good to have you both. i call this the willie horton redux. it's more inflammatory than willie or ton wa willie horton was. what's your take? >> you know, it's just more of donald trump being donald trump. to me it's such a tired, old play book. this is what he did in 2016, fear mongering, division, sowing discord. >> worked. >> demonizing immigrants. it worked, that is why he is going back to it, because it worked. i think it's up to the american people to say whether this is what they're going to buy into again or not. in 2016 he was able to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. but all those people who chose not to vote in 2016 or all those people of who thought hillary doesn't fill my love tank and i'm going to vote for somebody else or write in somebody else, it's a binary choice.