running. and only a small portion of that is covered by tickets purchased by visitors. >> anthony: you could create a gallery space anywhere in the world, and those would be more accessible and more people would come. you chose here, relatively isolated. do you let -- uh, do you like people? >> bernardo: yes. i like people, but i like more to see the people happy. and to see them come to me, i construct here a state of mind. >> anthony: is it important at all that the people who come here understand art? does it matter that someone comes and looks at matthew barney or chris burden? >> bernardo: they understand. >> anthony: they understand. do you think rich, poor, farmer? >> bernardo: no, no way. children. go ask children. they understand.