shabbat, it is saturday, there was a baby naming, which is a wonderful family experience, so my expectation is that there were a lot of people in there, young kids, and other family member, as you go through this wonderful experience of naming your child, and that the likelihood that the congregation was fuller than it might ordinarily be, at 9:45 in the morning, congregants are sort of strag ling in. it is not until the toah service that the synagogues gets a little bit more full. but with a baby naming, you might have a much more full congregation with a lot more family members, which is why when the officer gave that statement, this was a horrific crime scene, may be talking about lots of families with young kids there, being slaughtered. >> you said it is a horrific crime scene. one of of the worst i've seen. that is coming from the public safety director, josh campbell. we're learning more about this suspect, 46-year-old robert bowers, you actually have a photograph of him now.