for the laughs. you know, that has been his perfect son persona and style. >> i asked you what do you call somebody that likes to lie, and you say a scoundrel. another thing you can call somebody that likes to lie is a liar. is he a liar? >> we both know that he is telling lie. if you want me to say he's a liar, i many a happy to say he's a liar, but i am telling you that those people that i wrote about in the book and the research that i did on it, they caraw care way less about that, john. all of the other nonsense he does is less important to them. >> i just don't like, and i think you and i agree, and i don't like when people say oh, because somebody didn't go to