do you think that the singaporean success story is a rebuke to american and western values in some respect? >> donald: no, no. >> anthony: i mean, is free speech overrated? >> donald: i don't think we succeeded because the absence of free speech. >> anthony: it's a fact, though. >> donald: the values of free trade, the values of a liberal global order, these are western ideas. i mean, singapore did not invent them. the asian did not. >> anthony: i mean, look, it shouldn't work. it hasn't really worked like this anywhere else. and yet, it works. >> donald: i think my objection or my discomfort with the lack of democratic freedoms is that i think we cannot allow a lot more without hurting singapore's prosperity, it's stability, one ounce. what will we lose if we had a free uprise? what would we lose if we had more democratic opposition representation? it would make for not only a livelier debate, it would make for a better debate.