we just don't know. but i think there are an awful lot of people who are going to put a lot of trust in his work product, because of the care that has gone into developing his work thus far. >> let's turn to the latest news. very disturbing news on the missing u.s.-based journalist, jamal khashoggi, apparently murdered inside a saudi consulate in turkey. do you think the united states needs to get ahold of this reported recording that turkish officials have in order to come to a specific conclusion about what happened inside the consulate? >> so i kind of feel like it's almost like opposite day at the white house. the more the evidence mounts that something of a heinous nature was conducted, the stronger their defense of the saudi arabian kingdom there is. no, look. i've got a simple message, frankly, for the saudis. you can take your oil and shove it, because human rights aren't for sale. if you want to be a member of the community of civilized nations, then you need to begin behaving in that way.