the science and the helpless stance, if you just say well, in a million years it will go back to being the other way, if you believe it's all cyclical and man and humans have nothing to do with it, there's nothing you can do. it's a helpless and convenient stance because there's nothing really we can do about it. >> i think it's worth also pointing out here, alisyn, president trump's skepticism of climate change goes way back, and he was suggesting weather patterns, a warm day or a cold day means climate change isn't real, so this is not surprising. what is interesting and worth remembering here is a few days ago there was a report put on president trump's desk showing him the science behind climate change. president trump was asked about it and he said i'll have to take a look at it and see hwho drew t up. what you heard in that interview