>> right. >> i think about him often, especially in times like this. >> so another unusual week. sarah sanders tweeting out yesterday -- this is a photo of her and kanye west. never a dull moment in @realdonaldtrump's white house. are we at peak madness? >> well, i mean part of what the white house has been wanting to do and what donald trump has been wanting to do is to expand the reality television of the white house, right? that's why they brought bill shine in from fox news. and they want to do more stuff outside. they want to bring more celebrities in, just rock and roll, and we have these freewheeling press conferences. it's becoming more like what donald trump has wanted it to be all along. i think it's ultimately becoming the virtual reality show out of the white house. >> what do you think, though, when you see all this? >> well, i think it's the