world, decorum. >> in addition to what april has said, what's remarkable about to me is if i said to you donald trump invited kanye to -- to the oval office. >> jeffrey finds it funny. >> you wouldn't -- you wouldn't be super surprised, and then if you kind of saw the way it played out, you also wouldn't be super surprised. i mean, this is who donald trump is. he likes celebrities. he likes people who say nice things about him, particularly those who do so in ways that are unpredictable like kanye west. >> he came in as an adviser role. that is a problem. >> i don't disagree it's a problem. the only thing i would say is this is -- it is -- if an alien landed from another planet and they asked, well, give me five minutes on what the trump presidency is, this would not be the worst five minutes to show them. >> really? >> yes. because i think it's unpredictable. i think it's driven by his desire to be interesting. i'm not saying what it should be. what it is. >> right, okay. >> this is who the guy is.