slowly they get to see the value themselves. education works very well. >> kamau: are there efforts for people in the community who couldn't afford to come in here to sort of see what's going on in here so they can have the -- >> wanjiku: yeah, we have a conservation education program here, with over 3,500 school children come on to lewa, free of charge, go around, get to see wildlife, because unless you can afford to go to national parks or to places like lewa, then you definitely wouldn't have the opportunity to interact with wildlife. >> kamau: so we're headed towards the lions? is that what we're doing right now? >> karmusha: so now you can see at the peak, you can just see something sticking out. that's a lion sitting. >> anthony: oh, i see. right next to the little tree. >> kamau: whoa. >> anthony: oh, there's a bunch of them. >> karmusha: yeah, yeah. if we're lucky, they might come