them fairly because this has happened? >> hold on, hold on. hold on, i'll let you answer that. i want to put something else in there. and if he himself did not think there was something wrong with what he said and how he testified, he would not be writing this apology -- >> right. i think, you know, one of the worst parts about that testimony and that sort of testimony of his was that he was in this really untenable position of having to defend his integrity and the political strategy that was thrust upon him. and to answer your question, kiersten, i think that he said things that were exceedingly political there that i think he regretted. and i think you have to take that in the context of an entire career of both serving as a judge and being political. that was a moment of intense and incendiary moment in one's life. so i don't know if he's the kind of person or anybody is the kind of person where one moment